making the jump to ldml

[the walker]

have loads of custom soloution on the web using cdml and i am wondering if it is worth the move to ldml.

i have heard a bit about it but want to know more, what are the benfits , what are the costs and the hardware required.

i am currently serving the dbs from mac 9.2 through the web companion on a single g4. what changes need to be made to cdml. will it work on pc, we are currently phasing out macs to a minimum

[Anatoli]

In simple sentence -- Lasso has more security and more powerful syntax.

I've ported my CDMLs from Mac to Windows without single issue.

Probably good idea is to port first the CDML and then start with Lasso on Windows.

We phase out Macs to minimum 3 years ago and replaced them with NT servers and NT or W2k workstations.

[Kurt Knippel]

Anatoli's current Windows bias came through a little strong since nothing is different about CDML/LDML on Windows compared to Macs.

However I think that the point he was trying to get at was to make one switch at a time. Either convert to LDML and once this is complete switch to Windows or switch to Windows and once complete switch to LDML. Just makes for easier trouble-shooting.

Of course I cannot understand why you want to added headaches of switching to Windows machines? Do you have too much extra in your IT budget? Or are you just bored and need some strees in your life for the next few years?

[Anatoli]

ROFL

That Die-Hard Macs nerds

Actually, I've saved at minimum 60% on investment to Windows compared to Macs and increased productivity by 50-70% in the same moment.

No kidding. 64MB of Expansion Memory for my last Mac cost the same as new PC HW with 128MB.

And struggle with web authoring on Mac in Czech language -- yikes. On PC it is smooth as in English.

That wouldn't be possible without NT. I still consider the 95-98-ME as gizmos for gaming.

And BTW I do like much more Guy Kawasaki and Steve Jobs than Bill.

That is strange World I am living in. I use to be Mac Evangelist Number 1 in Czechoslovakia and then Macs get sour more and more...

[the walker]

the new boss doesnt like macs, is a big pc fan just becuase 95% of the world use them. i am powerless to save the mac

[Kurt Knippel]

Well as long as he is making the best business decision and not just basing it upon his own personal preference!

[the walker]

i hate to admit it but he has a good point that a new mac costs around

[scratchmalogicalwax]

Moving to Lasso and mySQL from WebCompanion and FMPro will be far more significant to the power and reliability of your web applications than the difference between Mac and PC (as long as you stay as far away from IIS as you possibly can )

This is drifting away from the point of your original post, but needs to be said again!

It is a myth that Macs are not any good for business use, your boss obviously hasn't tried MS's latest attempt at an OS: XP pro. After using OSX 10.2 using my XP machine is painful, i mean how many dialogs are needed to accomplish something!

It all becomes a bit concerning when you try XP pro on an average 2 year old PC.... it goes backwards!

A 2 year old machine in any company should have at least a year of productive use left - OSX works well (once it's booted yawn ) on any RAM'ed up yosemite or slot iMac G3 and c.

[Garry Claridge]

Just to add to what Scratch has said. My recent observation has seen the owner of two XP Pro computers pay-out a lot more in lost time and consultancy.

They would not join a network which had WinME, Win2k and Win98 computers on it. This is because they were booted in an order which caused semi-permanent network problems :-(

Plus other problems which has seen at least four reloads of the system and changes of display-cards.

Yuk!

Good Luck.

Garry

[Anatoli]

I am not defending M$ at all, but I can really speak only from my experience.

I was fed-up with Mac OS8-9. Slow, costly HW, inability of decent multitasking and it crashes more in day than NT in year. Also that system is amateurishly patched to work with Czech language, and it doesn't work 100% Czech, like Microsoft does.

So now we have the decent choice, NT/W2000 or Mac X and Linux.

Mac is still expensive -- my build PC machine is around half the price, than Mac.

I don't want to start with Unix, so the Mac X and Linux are out.

The truth is that to hire expert for Windoze is cheaper, than to hire Unix/Linux expert. And we don't need expert more than once in 2-3 years.

Our uptime on Web server is 100% of available time of the hosting center. When that center was down, we went down as well, but never because of our server, which is running IIS, FM, WSC and 2 Mercury mail servers.

All that on $600 HW plus MS and FM (Apple) licenses.

I love Apple because it was the company, which introduced me to computing. I wish them well.

But I wouldn't be overcharged for the sin, that I am loyal. And I don't want to learn UNIX, no sir.

The switch from Apple to Windows was not difficult after I learned the basics. And now, after while I am sure more productive with Windoze than Mac.

But even I am happier with Wintel than with Mac from 1995-7, my experience is not 100% guarantee, that someone else will be more happier with Wintel, than with Mac.

If someone will search for Mac things in Wintel world, there is little from that.

If user wants really get the best and different features which are offered in Wintel, than he/she may discovered hidden treasures which made me more productive, than on Mac.