And dont forget with the advantageous release forthcoming of FM9 they'll be able to use FM as a front end for sql (or was it mysql?) in either case 9 will be the end of IT naysayers - to a degree. With 7+'s account and security options, 8+'s object oriented programability, internet posting and odbc controls, an 9's SQL and event driven abilities, there's everything an IT person could want for a database. (I should know, I do IT for my company, and love the cost saving, quick deployment and stability of FM.)