typing a slash after certain letters

[themouse]

I am trying to type "Sony Classical/Legacy" in the Palatino font 14pt. size into a field. The "/" immediately changes the "L" to an "L" with a slash through it. I find the same thing happens with an "O". What can I do about this?

The same thing does not happen with a few different fonts I tried and the same thing does not happen in Word.

I can make a space: "Classical /.." but that's not the same thing.

Thanks in advance for some help.

Edited October 11, 2005 by Guest

[CyborgSam]

Welcome to the Forums!

Make sure you have the appropriate langauge selected in the International System Preference. It's worthwhile to make the Input Menu visible in the menu bar to catch wayward changes.

[themouse]

Thank you for the reply. I assure you U.S. is selected. And not the Unicode version, the Roman version. Any thoughts?

[themouse]

I posted my problem to the OS X board thinking there was a font problem. Here are a few of the answers:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@345.vdTPaiaDYTp.0@.68bbc5c8

I wasn't me or my International settings after all. The Apple Font panel lets you uncheck 'use diacritical' marks on a per application basis and this would solve the problem. But according to them, FileMaker 7 & 8 does not use this and so it is impossible to fix. How do I get this information to FileMaker?

[Lee Smith]

I'm not quite sure I understand what your problem is, or what you are now trying to say now with the link. However, it has been mentioned a few times recently that v8 requires that all of the basic system fonts be installed and [color:red] active . This was not the case with v7.

To see what fonts are active in your system, use the the Font Book application, you will find in the Application Folder.

HTH

Lee

Edited October 13, 2005 by Guest

[themouse]

How can I make it any clearer? Select a field. Assign Palatino to it. Type "Sony Classical/Legacy" just like that without spaces before or after the slash. Watch what happens to the "l" at the end of "Classical". You would see the same thing with any word that ends in "l" or even "o".

Change the font and do it again.

My link was to reponses on Apple's board that tried this for me and confirmed that it was impossible to enter my phrase as I need it.

[Lee Smith]

If the system font Palatino (True Type) isn't active, it isn't available. You need to see what is active. If you think that the system is correct, then post a copy of your file and let others see first hand if it acts the same using their system setups.

Lee

[themouse]

Please tell me how I can be typing in Palatino if it isn't active in my system? It is. I can switch to a different font and then back to Palatino. On the Apple site, two people tried what I asked and both confirmed the issue. Why do I need to post my file? I only want someone to pick a field in any database, format it to Palatino and type my phrase. You will either get an "L" with a slash after it or an "L" with a slash through it.

By the way, this is Macintosh related. I just dawned on me that this board might be cross platform.

[Lee Smith]

You want help or not?

[mr_vodka]

Hi Mouse,

I understand that maybe you have reservations about posting your file, but please understand that the community members are here to help you and that sometimes its easier to troubleshoo the problem if other are looking at the same file.

[themouse]

Thank you. My file is 1.3MB and is connected to two others as part of a relational database made in FM6. One of the others is 13MB. I could make a clone of one perhaps, and maybe after clicking through the dialogues that say the others are not available it will open by itself. But how do I post it? I am new here.

But may I thank you for a kind response.

[mr_vodka]

When you post, you must either zip it or stuff it, Then when you reply, do not use the Quick reply... Use a regular reply and you will see a subsection for 'Manage Files' Add it here.

[themouse]

I really did look in FontBook and Palatino is listed. It is in my system and activated.

Edited October 14, 2005 by Guest

[Lee Smith]

I don't have v8, but this works as you want it to in v7 and OS 10.3.9

HTH

Lee

[themouse]

and I'm using 10.4.2 and FileMaker 8, though I was told by those who tried what I asked them that the same problem exists in FM 7.

Thanks

[CyborgSam]

I confirmed what "themouse" is seeing, the problem is that FileMaker is "Composing Diacritics". Take the text "Sony Classical/Legacy", paste it into TextEdit, select it, then use the Font Panel to turn on/off Compose Diacritics to see the issue.

Could others have a different version of Palatino? Mine says Copyright 1991-1999 Apple Computer Inc., 1991-1992 Type Solutions, Inc., the creation/modification date is 9/24/2004. FontDoctor says the font is AOK. My main Mac did NOT have Palatino installed in Tiger, my laptop did. They both have the same apps but the laptop Tiger install is much newer...

If anyone has done a CLEAN install of Tiger lately: is Palatino standard?

[Lee Smith]

That is interesting information.

Here is a screen shot of the Get Info for the Palatino I have .

I tried do the test with TextEdit, but couldn't find the [color:blue] on/off Compose Diacritics ability you spoke of. Is this a new feature in TextEdit for OS 10.4.x (Tiger).

Lee

[CyborgSam]

My Palatino seems to be the same, version 3.5. Compose Diacritics is accessed from the bottom of the Font Panel in Tiger as shown in the attached pic. I googled but couldn't quickly find out whether this is new to Tiger, and I don't remember...

[Lee Smith]

Thanks for pointing me to that little ditty.

Following your step by step instructions, I see no change to "Sony Classical/Legacy" in TextEdit.

Lee

[CyborgSam]

By "no change": do you mean you have the Diacritics sub-menu & toggle Compose on/off but it doesn't affect the /L?

[Lee Smith]

Yes, just like you explained to do it.

Lee

[CyborgSam]

Weird, so the issue seems to be unique to Tiger. Any others with Panther and/or Tiger: please help us verify this.

[comment]

I can confirm the issue with 10.3.9 and FMP7. In addition to Palatino, the issue also affects Chicago, Hoefler Text and New York fonts.

This seems to be a genuine bug: it is a problem of rendering the output, not an input issue. The attached file proves this and shows a possible workaround.

PalatinoBug.fp7.zip

[CyborgSam]

The core issue is why /L is rendered as /L or the diacritic in FileMaker on different Macs, and is this a bug in FileMaker, OS X Font Rendering, or elsewhere?

Now we have two Panther Macs running FM7 (comment's & Lee's) behaving differently. Anyone have Tiger & FM8 that doesn't display the diacritic?

[comment]

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Now we have two Panther Macs running FM7 (comment's & Lee's) behaving differently.

I am not too sure of that - I would prefer Lee to state expressly he does not see the problem in my file. Also, there are sub-versions of Panther, too. That might make a difference. FMP8 will only install on .9, for instance.

[Lee Smith]

Hi Comment,

Your file show that there is a bug in [color:blue] on screen rendering in FileMaker. If I copy the text in your file, and paste it into this browser, I get the same as the Impute line:

[color:green] Palatino/Chicago/Nework/Hoefler

When I tested this in TextEdit, all I did was copy and paste it into the TextEdit, so it is no wonder I wasn't seeing anything.

What is really odd though, when I was playing around with this thing, I was thinking that the problem might have something to do with being able to use Regular Expressions in FM now, so I thought I would try imputing a // (Double Slash) to see what would happen:

[color:green] Palatino//Chicago//Nework//Hoefler

And it shows as this on screen

[color:green] Palatino/Chicago/Nework//Hoefler

However, if you copy it and paste this into a different program, the double slash show in it.

[color:green] Palatino//Chicago//Nework//Hoefler

Lee :